Acharya Prashant explains that mathematics can and must be a great method in spirituality. He contrasts words with numbers, stating that words can be misused and played with, while numbers are relatively tougher nuts to crack. For instance, someone can claim, "I work so hard," using words to mislead. However, when asked to show the numbers—how long they worked, on what, and the quality of that work—the lies are caught. This process of using numbers helps in removing layers of deception, making the door knock and the lies to be caught. The speaker acknowledges that the ego can still appropriate numbers, data, and statistics to serve its own limited interests and further its deep lies. However, it is relatively difficult to fudge numbers. Words, he says, are our playthings. An expression like, "Oh, I love you so much," is nebulous and deceptive. To counter this, one must ask, "How much?" and try to talk in facts, for example, by presenting different scenarios to see what one would do. This is an attempt to move from dubious business to factual discussion. He provides an example from the story of Valmiki, the author of the Ramayana, who was an accomplished robber in his early days. One day, it arises in him to check a few facts. He asks his wife if she would bear the punishment for his sins, which he commits for the family. After she evades the question multiple times, he insists on a direct answer. When she finally says no, the door opens. Valmiki sees a great blankness, as his entire world was in an illusory space. With the shock of the fact, the door has just flung open, and once he has seen what is outside, he cannot return. Living in the present, the speaker clarifies, simply means to stop living in illusions. He advises to check facts, have deep discussions, go for numbers, and if something is not numerical, to ask for direct answers. One must test, test, and test, ensuring to test oneself before testing others. Facts are not the Truth, but they are great enablers. They help you break away from illusions, and once you have broken away from illusions, Truth is just a little bit of grace away.