Acharya Prashant discusses the essence of Ram, explaining that Ram is not a specific element of nature, nor an object of the mind, sight, or hearing. He clarifies that while we may call Ram 'Saguna' (with attributes) or 'Nirguna' (without attributes), these are our own definitions. If we call him Nirguna, we still exist as separate entities, which means Ram is not complete. In the presence of the Complete, no other entity can remain. The Complete is one, infinite, and unattached. Acharya Prashant elaborates on Sant Kabir's perspective, stating that Kabir's Ram is neither Saguna nor Nirguna, but 'Nyara'—unique and separate from anything that can be described. He is separate from both Saguna and Nirguna, not somewhere in between. The speaker emphasizes that the issue is not one of faith but of one's own existence, which is the ego ('Ahanta'). As long as the ego exists to define Ram, one remains far from His true essence. Quoting Kabir's couplet, "The doctor dies, the patient dies, the whole world dies. Only Kabir does not die, whose support is Ram," Acharya Prashant explains that the doctor and patient symbolize all dualities of the world, which are mortal. Nature itself is a cycle of birth and death. Man is the only being who wants to escape this cycle. He has left his natural foundation but is stuck in the middle, unable to reach Ram. Man is cursed to be out of nature but is also a son of immortality. This is why man suffers, being caught between his natural origins and his unfulfilled potential for liberation. To find peace, one must have the right foundation. The speaker uses another of Kabir's couplets, "Kabir is Ram's dog, Motiya is my name. Ram's leash is around my neck, I go wherever he pulls," to illustrate the relationship of complete surrender to Ram. This means not determining one's own path but allowing Ram to lead. Ram is the only stable foundation, unlike the mind or ego, which are like flowing stones. By making Ram the foundation, one finds both security and the energy to move on the right path, a path free from sorrow.
