Acharya Prashant explains that discipline, in itself, is not a virtue; its value is determined by the goal it serves. He illustrates this with the example of a violent man whose goal is to blow up a building. To achieve this, the man must undergo stern discipline: building his body, learning new skills and languages, training in firearms, and dodging the police. To an observer, this man might appear dedicated, focused, and self-assured, even like a yogi. However, the fundamental question is about the goal, which in this case is violence. Therefore, all the discipline that trains him to be successful is ultimately for a destructive purpose. The speaker asserts that discipline and struggle are not virtues by themselves. Any discipline that serves a self-created goal will never take a person beyond themselves. He notes that historically, the most marauding armies and the greediest men were often the most disciplined, as their negative pursuits required such rigor. This kind of discipline, imposed by the self upon the self, is a form of cruelty. One must return to the state of a child who dislikes external discipline, and when one is no longer subjugated by it, something rises from the heart. This may appear as chaos to the world, but it is a holy chaos with a divine order beyond human comprehension. There is another kind of discipline, which is the right kind: discipleship. The word 'discipline' is closely related to 'discipleship,' which means to be a student and to follow. Real discipleship involves following something far bigger than oneself, something that qualifies to be one's teacher or Guru. This is an act of surrender. The speaker quotes Kabir Saheb, who said, "I neither tell the beads, nor chant, nor utter Ram from my mouth. My remembrance is done by the Lord, I have found my rest." This signifies letting go of all self-driven spiritual activities and disciplines. In this state, one does not try to remember God; instead, God remembers them. This real discipleship is not just a part of life; it is life itself. It is about letting oneself be guided by existence. It involves listening and seeing with reverence, love, submission, and trust. The learning is continuous, where every experience teaches something beyond itself. The human tendency is to want to know and control, to count what is being gained. However, if one keeps counting, one will only receive that which is countable, which is insufficient to quench the soul's thirst, as love and joy are not quantifiable. Real discipleship lies in not knowing the target or the progress. The delight is in the act of discipleship itself—a pleasure beyond pleasures just to follow the Truth, even if it leads to one's own ruin.